No, no..it wasn’t that at all. It’s just that in a couple of cases, shortlists were, well, a little bit short! To stick them on the blog would’ve given the game away somewhat.
I’m sure you’ve noticed that the shortlist for ‘Biggest Fuck Up’ is up there…and that seems to be the one that’s caused most offence.
Anon:
Are you refering to Millington’s blog post there TWL?
Right, yes…there’ll be a bit of food to soak up the alcohol…but I wouldn’t turn up ravenous.
Sean:
Ref Richard Millington. Leave the lad alone, for fuck’s sake. He’s 22. He lacks judgement and said something he now regrets. Didn’t we all when we were his age?
Singling him out is bullshit. As is hiding behind the excuse that he was nominated by readers - he’s not in tech PR, so why is he even allowed to be nominated. To be ridiculed, presumably. Nice one.
Sean - you, Richard and Sally Whittle have done more to draw attention to it today than anyone else! Like you said on his blog…learn when to ignore it and walk away.
Sure, we all said stupid things at 22. Thing is, we didn’t all write them down and publish them where anyone with an internet connection could read them.
Thanks for the mention but I suspect your influence outranks mine, TWL.
At the end of the day this is a young guy trying to learn the PR business, and whose reputation is being trashed so you and some of your readers can have a cheap laugh. I think it’s crap. Why wasn’t he excluded from the votes?
So he said something stupid, he apologised and left the whole thing online – as legacies go, that’s not too bad.
But having an anonymous blog take the piss out of you repeatedly, then shortlist you for an award for the biggest fuck-up in the tech PR industry – when you’re not even part of that industry? It’s just harsh. But we’ll agree to differ on that, I guess.
And are you REALLY saying we should only post things online that could never be seen as being career-limiting? How horribly dull.
Yeah, you’re right Sally, it’s harsh. So I’ve taken him off the shortlist. Life’s too short.
anonymous:
Bravo TWL, let it never be said you haven’t got class.
‘There’s no such thing as bad press’ - seems that being nominated for that award did Richard some good - he’s had the support of fellow PRs as well as some journos…
Fine site that Pocketlint. Very fine site. Independent, too, which we like in a temperamental sense.
It was on the longlist (which, as these things go wasn’t very long). And missed making the cut by a whisker…
Peter
Sean:
>Sean - you, Richard and Sally Whittle have >done more to draw attention to it today than >anyone else! Like you said on his blog…learn >when to ignore it and walk away.
Don’t patronise me. I think what you mean is that you wish I would ignore things that you’d prefer people didn’t pay attention to.
How’s that shoe feel, now it’s on the other foot? A little uncomfortable perhaps..?
…the shortlists for The Flackenhack Awards 2007 have just been posted here.
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Curmudgeon:
No PocketLint in consumer tech publication? Now that does surprise me.
**goes back to watching the video clips on ShinyShiny’s naughty toys section**
anonymous:
So you decided not to include the slightly offensive categories eh? Strap on a pair TWL.
Maybe that’s a bit harsh. Afterall, we don’t need an award to establish which hacks and flacks are shit do we?
...the world's leading...:
No, no..it wasn’t that at all. It’s just that in a couple of cases, shortlists were, well, a little bit short! To stick them on the blog would’ve given the game away somewhat.
I’m sure you’ve noticed that the shortlist for ‘Biggest Fuck Up’ is up there…and that seems to be the one that’s caused most offence.
Anon:
Are you refering to Millington’s blog post there TWL?
...the world's leading...:
Yeah!
Nicks:
Um - quick q. If we’re not eating rubber chicken, what are we eating? The crumbs off the journalists plate perhaps?
...the world's leading...:
Right, yes…there’ll be a bit of food to soak up the alcohol…but I wouldn’t turn up ravenous.
Sean:
Ref Richard Millington. Leave the lad alone, for fuck’s sake. He’s 22. He lacks judgement and said something he now regrets. Didn’t we all when we were his age?
Singling him out is bullshit. As is hiding behind the excuse that he was nominated by readers - he’s not in tech PR, so why is he even allowed to be nominated. To be ridiculed, presumably. Nice one.
...the world's leading...:
Sean - you, Richard and Sally Whittle have done more to draw attention to it today than anyone else! Like you said on his blog…learn when to ignore it and walk away.
Sure, we all said stupid things at 22. Thing is, we didn’t all write them down and publish them where anyone with an internet connection could read them.
Sally:
Thanks for the mention but I suspect your influence outranks mine, TWL.
At the end of the day this is a young guy trying to learn the PR business, and whose reputation is being trashed so you and some of your readers can have a cheap laugh. I think it’s crap. Why wasn’t he excluded from the votes?
...the world's leading...:
Because it wasn’t a slip of the tongue down the local juicer, but a comment made in the full glare of the public eye.
Whilst the ‘boy’ Davies may not be as young as some assume, he’s a nice example of someone who considers the consequences prior to their actions:
http://www.prblogger.com/2007/03/your-online-legacy-good-thing-or-bad-thing/
Sally:
So he said something stupid, he apologised and left the whole thing online – as legacies go, that’s not too bad.
But having an anonymous blog take the piss out of you repeatedly, then shortlist you for an award for the biggest fuck-up in the tech PR industry – when you’re not even part of that industry? It’s just harsh. But we’ll agree to differ on that, I guess.
And are you REALLY saying we should only post things online that could never be seen as being career-limiting? How horribly dull.
...the world's leading...:
Yeah, you’re right Sally, it’s harsh. So I’ve taken him off the shortlist. Life’s too short.
anonymous:
Bravo TWL, let it never be said you haven’t got class.
‘There’s no such thing as bad press’ - seems that being nominated for that award did Richard some good - he’s had the support of fellow PRs as well as some journos…
Sally:
Indeed, very glad to hear it. Now let’s get back to blogging about potentially career-limiting nonsense.
Peter Kirwan:
Hi Curmedgeon
Fine site that Pocketlint. Very fine site. Independent, too, which we like in a temperamental sense.
It was on the longlist (which, as these things go wasn’t very long). And missed making the cut by a whisker…
Peter
Sean:
>Sean - you, Richard and Sally Whittle have >done more to draw attention to it today than >anyone else! Like you said on his blog…learn >when to ignore it and walk away.
Don’t patronise me. I think what you mean is that you wish I would ignore things that you’d prefer people didn’t pay attention to.
How’s that shoe feel, now it’s on the other foot? A little uncomfortable perhaps..?
...the world's leading...:
You’re the only one still going on about it fella…perhaps it’s time to come down off your high horse and drink some milk?
anonymous:
Enough of this - Sean, TWL, name a time and a place and lets settle this with some good old fashioned physical violence.
Hold that thought - let’s make it the main event at the Flackenhacks!
I need to give this some more thought but are you both up for it?
Peter Kirwan:
I thought I better add a comment on this, since Fullrun is 50% of The Flackenhacks and the shortlist was a joint effort between ourselves and TWL.
Just so it’s really obvious: we messed up and we know it. The arguments against including Richard Millington on the shortlist are bleedin’ obvious.
Why did it happen? With The Flackenhacks, we’re trying to do something different. One question: where should satire stop?
Working 16 hour days to get an event like this off the ground, it’s easier than it might appear to get the answer to this question wrong.
I hope that doesn’t sound like standard-issue evasion. It’s not meant to be.
Hell, I’m 42 and the list of my basic errors this past fortnight would take a while to download in PDF format.
And you really wouldn’t want to know what I need to apologise for from 20 years ago.
So here we go without reservations or hedging: Richard, we 100% did the wrong thing. We’re sorry. And we apologise.
That said, I’d be up for (watching) a bout between Sean and TWL in front of 200 guests next Tuesday. Capital idea whoever you are.
[Cross-posted at Millington’s place and Getting Ink. Except for the bit about the fight.]
Peter Kirwan
Sean:
Good old fashioned physical violence, you say..? Hmm, interesting. We’d have to do it Luchador-style to preserve TWL’s anonymity.
I’ll be the one in the Zorro mask, riding a high horse.
anonymous:
Good thinking Sean. This idea doesn’t seem so bad now. Lets include some more of this kind of stuff:
> Whack a flack
> Whack a hack
> Hack versus flack whack attack
> I could go on…
Sally:
Sean - are you invited, or do you get a free ticket if you’re up for fightin? *thinks of which PRs might be available for a tag-team bitch fight*
...the world's leading...:
I’ll be Kendo Nagasaki to your Mick McManus.
Anonymous:
The Fair Cop Award For Biggest Fuck Up - “TWL”
...the world's leading...:
Fair comment! One for next year, eh?
Anonymous:
Tag-team bitch fight? Fascinating. How does that work, eactly?
Nicks:
Sean - don’t foret your milk….
Nicks:
Ooops - forget your milk
Sally:
You’re not familiar with the tag-team bitch fight?
Clearly you’re not watching enough low-rent programming on Bravo post-midnight.
Fiona Blamey:
A fight, eh? That’s going to liven up the liveblogging no end, hurrah!
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